say, apple producers. the wage rate in vermont now is aollaper bushel for hand- picked ciders and four new york, 60 two cents. there is no consistency. those are done by the prevailing wage survey. there is nothing overseen on that. no regionalization of wage great -- wage rates, housing, transportation. it is very expensive. yet it does provide legal workers. it is difficult to get them here. and with united states department of ag facilitating the process, it will be transparent, i believe. they understand ag, the need behind it, and keep in mind, i would like to let mr. sessions know, senator sessions no, we do have employers who open up and they have to through the h2a program higher and he willing, able, qualified individual. anybody is mollified because in state of vermont we can't require experience. the department of labor says we can't require experience. we have orchards -- i invite you to come visit them in august -- they have everyone who applies start picking apple and they pick on trellis tre